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i would play this ronald reagan clip on social security. >> social security has nothing to do with the deficit. social security is totally funded by the payroll tax levyied on employer and employee. >> cenk: social security off the table, not having that conversation. medicare, well there was this guy who was running for vice president who had some ideas. let's find out how that turned out for him. >> option accounts for social security. [ buzzer ] >> cenk: wrong again bob. well he also had ideas on medicaid. >> what we're trying to do is cut medicaid food stamp reforms, education reforms for job training. couple these things by sending them back to the states in bloc grants. [ buzzer ] >> cenk: wrong again bob. you just ran an election on that and got your ass handed to you. i won. you lost. if you like we can do this again in 2014. 2014, 2014. they will bend if you have someone strong who actually cared to win. i'm keeping it real. when we come back, speaking of real we'll go to the real housewives of the c.i.a. >> cause i'm honoring council so i have involume ability they should not
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may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't really embraced ronald reagan. >> somehow i don't think he hit the nail on the head. but louisiana governor bobby jindal might be onto something. he says the republicans need to stop being the stupid party. wow, the stupid party. there is a war inside the gop and nobody knows how this will end. joining me now, steve kornacki and krystal ball, co-hosts of "the cycle" on msnbc. >> our guys, the upper echelon of the republican party, want to fashion themselves as members of the ruling class. we the country class are not in the ruling class. we're in a problem. >> steve, limbaugh is pointing to a big split in the party. where do you think this is going? is this a fight we're going to see rush and the establishment have? >> yeah. this is the problem for the republican party. that kind of a fight is probably good for rush limbaugh in terms of it gives him something to talk about, gives him status within the conservative movement. and it really allows him to rile up his audience, his base and say, i'm the voice of the pure conservative. it's this
may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't really embraced ronald reagan. >> somehow i don't think he hit the nail on the head. but louisiana governor bobby jindal might be onto something. he says the republicans need to stop being the stupid party. wow, the stupid party. there is a war inside the gop and nobody knows how this will end. joining me now, steve kornacki and krystal ball, co-hosts of "the cycle" on msnbc. >> our guys, the upper echelon of the republican...
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. >> in your book you say ronald reagan lied about poverty so he could succeed. you wrote middle class folks didn't have to worry they were indulging resentment. they were doing it because those programs hurt poor people. reagan said so. do the republicans still believe this message? >> i don't know if they really believe it. i don't know if they care. they don't care about the poor, but they've been selling it for a long time, ed. i'm with michael. he is looking backwards to an america that wasn't as wonderful as he thinks, and he's becoming kind of like a glenn beck figure. he's really not leaving it alone. when he went here on election night, i thought maybe he'll get over it. the majority of americans voted for barack obama. we have values. the majority of catholics voted for barack obama. a vast majority of jews voted for president obama. he has a problem with white protestant southern evangelical people, but he doesn't have -- it's not his whole coalition is secular. we have values, too. >> professor, how can we not come to the conclusion that bill o'reilly
. >> in your book you say ronald reagan lied about poverty so he could succeed. you wrote middle class folks didn't have to worry they were indulging resentment. they were doing it because those programs hurt poor people. reagan said so. do the republicans still believe this message? >> i don't know if they really believe it. i don't know if they care. they don't care about the poor, but they've been selling it for a long time, ed. i'm with michael. he is looking backwards to an...
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ronald reagan, in part with the help of jack kemp a generation ago, found a way to sell supply side economics as a blue collar alternative. to sell it to the common man. that's what reagan and kemp were all about. the republicans lost the ability to do that. they lost the argument once. they're going to have to figure out how to make that argument again because if they're going to say that unleashing the power of the free market is the route forward for the middle class and the working people of america, they need convincing arguments and convincing people to do it. mitt romney, if you look at it from even the slightest distance, was arguably the worst possible carrier of that message. they need somebody else. they need southern populism or populism from somewhere, but they also need the proof. they need the evidence. and lacking the evidence last time in the election of a week ago, a week or two ago, people went with the -- what they knew, which was the president's belief in the power of government to work well with the economy. >> i think they realized during the campaign thanks to some ext
ronald reagan, in part with the help of jack kemp a generation ago, found a way to sell supply side economics as a blue collar alternative. to sell it to the common man. that's what reagan and kemp were all about. the republicans lost the ability to do that. they lost the argument once. they're going to have to figure out how to make that argument again because if they're going to say that unleashing the power of the free market is the route forward for the middle class and the working people...
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that all happened this day in 1979 when former california governor ronald reagan announced his third bid for the presidency and for the republican nomination and, of course, that one was successful. >>> the scandal continues to grow around david tpetraeus as his successor general john allen is now linked to the controversy or at least linked to some of the players. let's bring in our panel, political director for the grio.com, and columnist with bloomberg view, and stephanie is the president of emily's list and i also have james from the national journal who is out with a brand-new piece on this entire episode. so, james, i want to start with you because i thought this was a very striking -- you sort of write about -- trying to write about this from 30,000 feet, the impact on national security. this is what you write, no one is condoning what petraeus did, but there are a lot of self-righteous people holding him to a standard that not many people could meet without considering what he sacrificed because of the years of separation from his spouse and family, said one army general. the
that all happened this day in 1979 when former california governor ronald reagan announced his third bid for the presidency and for the republican nomination and, of course, that one was successful. >>> the scandal continues to grow around david tpetraeus as his successor general john allen is now linked to the controversy or at least linked to some of the players. let's bring in our panel, political director for the grio.com, and columnist with bloomberg view, and stephanie is the...
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he went in there with one goal, like ronald reagan used to do, i want one headline, don't let the middle class be held hostage. he repeated it over and over again. >> reporter: he said it 19 times. >> he didn't want the headline to be switched by adversarial press or neutral press that didn't to want go with his line to say him, adamantings president adamant on rich paying 39.6%. maybe that's why you softened up to you. just an interpretation. >> reporter: i can tell you congressional republicans were happy with his response. they like to know there is some give. here's where the give could be, chris. nobody's talked about this. i mean, there's been some behind the scenes chatter on this, which is you could see tax rates temporarily go up just not all the way to 39%. it could be somewhere in the middle. ends up being the compromise for the one year. don't forget, this is all about setting the tax rates simply for 2013, while they negotiate larger tax reform. so, that could be what the wiggle room is. obviously, republicans have said they don't want to raise tax rates at all. they're fine
he went in there with one goal, like ronald reagan used to do, i want one headline, don't let the middle class be held hostage. he repeated it over and over again. >> reporter: he said it 19 times. >> he didn't want the headline to be switched by adversarial press or neutral press that didn't to want go with his line to say him, adamantings president adamant on rich paying 39.6%. maybe that's why you softened up to you. just an interpretation. >> reporter: i can tell you...
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ronald reagan made his progress with the soviets in the second term. bill clinton almost got a middle east peace deal in the second term. so i do think there's a sense when you look abroad the president has more opportunities to leave a mark. >> john do you think, those that the scandal involving cia director former cia director david petraeus could derail the efforts he's trying to get going here? >> this one won't derail it but it's a very good example of the kind of thing that tends to turn up for season in more in a second term. you know iran-contra for president reagan rather famously president clinton's impeachment was in the second term. so it may not be this one, but, you know there is kind of a coincidence that time consuming scandals do pop up in those last four years. >> it's interesting you bring up legacy. one of the issues with the fiscal cliff is what kind of legacy would john boehner or the president leave behind when they leave office if they can't get a deal done and what about a second term compromising and going your own route. >> t
ronald reagan made his progress with the soviets in the second term. bill clinton almost got a middle east peace deal in the second term. so i do think there's a sense when you look abroad the president has more opportunities to leave a mark. >> john do you think, those that the scandal involving cia director former cia director david petraeus could derail the efforts he's trying to get going here? >> this one won't derail it but it's a very good example of the kind of thing that...
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reagan building. so i'm leaving. you'll wrap things up for us. >> i'll hold down the fort, but only while you're gone. >> you'll do an excellent job. we'll have much more of what's going on, including my interview with senator dianne feinstein. she's got a lot to say on this whole scandal. and it sounds to her like it's something out of the national enquirer. something very interesn common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. online outfit piccolo headphones buy now broadway show megapixels place to sleep little roadster war and peace deep sea diving ninja app hipster glasses 5% cash back sign up to get 5% everywhere online through december. only from discover. >>> the affair that brought down cia director david petraeus caught most officials in the nation's capital by surprise. and many of u
reagan building. so i'm leaving. you'll wrap things up for us. >> i'll hold down the fort, but only while you're gone. >> you'll do an excellent job. we'll have much more of what's going on, including my interview with senator dianne feinstein. she's got a lot to say on this whole scandal. and it sounds to her like it's something out of the national enquirer. something very interesn common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their...
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reagan with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> now david petraeus will testify about the benghazi attack tomorrow, exactly a week after he resigned cite an extramarital affair. and there is word secretary of state hillary clinton will testify on benghazi next month. here is the latest from the pentagon on the petraeus scandal. first let's get to katherine who is live in washington. katherine, the scope of all of this is pretty unusual. >> well those two classified hearings bring together the government's top intelligence and law enforcement officials. what was clear was the president's comments on ambassador susan rice is really getting some traction. one republican alleging that, quote, the president misinformed and lied to the american people over the benghazi affair. what was also clear is that the president wants to promote ambassador susan rice. even though she said benghazi was a spontaneous attack when it seemed clear it was terrorism. >> president obama has the gal to float the name of secretary of st
reagan with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> now david petraeus will testify about the benghazi attack tomorrow, exactly a week after he resigned cite an extramarital affair. and there is word secretary of state hillary clinton will testify on benghazi next month. here is the latest from the pentagon on the petraeus scandal. first let's get to katherine who is live in washington. katherine, the scope of all of this is pretty unusual. >> well those two classified...
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my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then finally the libyan press conference that he gave that was such a disaster, the next morning, i went out, i said, this is the worst thing, mark stein at "national review" and all these other people went crazy talking about how i was a rhino and i was this. it was stupidity. then they decided to come at us saying we doctored a tape and obsessed for a week over two seconds where we felt they said ryan, they thought they said romney. so while all of these conspiracy theories are spewing on the right and the conservative entertainment complex, barack obama's team is organizing. and they're targeting. and inst
my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then...
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the republican party may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't embraced ronald reagan. america and ronal reagan, my father's vision of america is still there, what we are missing is ronald reagan. shannon: where are republicans missing the mark? >> my father was so inclusive in everything he did. he never smoke down to people. he spoke with people. he was somebody who was inclusive. i talked about it before on this show with the hispanic communities and females. this is as man who found areas of agreement and moved the ball forward. he didn't look for areas of disagreement and not most ball at all. i think the republican party can do well to learn from ronald reagan. i think it only place where you find people fighting for education, fighting for the grassroots of america really is at fox or talk radio. but you do not see it in the party leaders anymore. they are so busy paying attention to consultants they forgot the people of this country. we need to get back to actually representing the people, not representing the consultants. shannon: you talk about the fact that y
the republican party may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't embraced ronald reagan. america and ronal reagan, my father's vision of america is still there, what we are missing is ronald reagan. shannon: where are republicans missing the mark? >> my father was so inclusive in everything he did. he never smoke down to people. he spoke with people. he was somebody who was inclusive. i talked about it before on this show with the hispanic communities and females. this is as man who...
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the only other person is ronald reagan. the numbers are still being counted in the west coast so it will be bigger. obama has the bigger margin of victory than george bush did in 2004. and remember that george bush declared himself a mandate into how. >> stephanie: how long bigger do you think the poplar vote margin would have been if it weren't to hurricane sandy. obviously the popular vote would have been bigger. >> caller: no, it's clear. i wouldn't be surprised if we get to a four-point margin. this is how good this is. we are close if it expands to half a percent, which is doable with the ballots in california arizona and washington and oregon. president obamamitt romney will have around 47% of the vote. >> stephanie: how ironic tee hee. congratulations on all your rightness and smartness. >> caller: thanks very much. >> what universe is dick morris not part of the media. he's complaining about the media and his mug is on fox news every five minutes. >> stephanie: myth busters is taking you to task for saying it's too
the only other person is ronald reagan. the numbers are still being counted in the west coast so it will be bigger. obama has the bigger margin of victory than george bush did in 2004. and remember that george bush declared himself a mandate into how. >> stephanie: how long bigger do you think the poplar vote margin would have been if it weren't to hurricane sandy. obviously the popular vote would have been bigger. >> caller: no, it's clear. i wouldn't be surprised if we get to a...
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reagan, the outsourcing of our jobs. there are a lot of people trying to live and $10 an hour while they are getting social security, medicare, taking out of their money, and then they are told by people like paul ryan and mitt romney that that is an entitlement. to me, that is like more of a ponzi scheme if they take that away. getting back to the elephant in the room, until we start talking about structurally change in this country beyond fighting over taxes -- you can fight over moving around the chairs on the titanic, but what really needs to be done is we need to repeal the trade agreement, look at taxing goods from china, and we need to get jobs back into this country, manufacturing jobs with wages people can live on and pressure for wages to go up. right now, the pressure is for wages to go down. you are fighting over what is less of the money coming in. host: let's go to the congressman. guest: this is an important issue that was fought over in the campaign. we need to support manufacturing in this country. i com
reagan, the outsourcing of our jobs. there are a lot of people trying to live and $10 an hour while they are getting social security, medicare, taking out of their money, and then they are told by people like paul ryan and mitt romney that that is an entitlement. to me, that is like more of a ponzi scheme if they take that away. getting back to the elephant in the room, until we start talking about structurally change in this country beyond fighting over taxes -- you can fight over moving...
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. >> but in the '80s when you could elect someone like ronald reagan, i'm not sure you can do that again. some of those policies were probably responsible for what happened in the '80s. those aren't going to happen this time. >> no, in the '90s, you mean. >> no, in the '80s. if jimmy carter had been reelected i'm not sure we would've had a great period in the 1980s. i'm not sure it's our birthright to have another great -- >> well, that was the whole thing. >> mike's not going anywhere. we're going to continue our conversation with him. up next, though, stocks you need to have in your portfolio for 2013 regardless of whether the economy spirals off the fiscal cliff. that means growth companies with lots of cash to buy back stock. the details on that next. but first, take a look at shares of abercrombie today. earnings sharply better than the street forecast. a & f raising guidance, stock trading higher on that news. and michael jeffries, the ceo of that company, got that airplane. what's the song they play on the airplane? it says "take me home"? take a look at futures this morning, s&p
. >> but in the '80s when you could elect someone like ronald reagan, i'm not sure you can do that again. some of those policies were probably responsible for what happened in the '80s. those aren't going to happen this time. >> no, in the '90s, you mean. >> no, in the '80s. if jimmy carter had been reelected i'm not sure we would've had a great period in the 1980s. i'm not sure it's our birthright to have another great -- >> well, that was the whole thing. >>...
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we are separated today from ronald reagan as i was from tom dewey. there is so much about republicanism and conservative that is compelling and that is appealing to people of all kinds of ethnicities, men and women, sexual orientations of every variety. americans are entrepreneurial, workers, savers, and want the message, but don't want to be told that they belong to 47% that doesn't count. >> david, a real fight on your hands within the republican party. david frum, author of "why romney lost," crystal ball and steve kornacki, thank you for joining me. >>> coming up, the first battle that will be fought in the republican civil war will be over taxes and some republicans are already sounding like liberal democrats on that one. carolyn finney and jonathan capehart will join me. sex, lies, and e-mail brought down the director of the cia. tonight, the story is getting stranger by the hour. the newest twist involves the shirtless e-mails of one of the fbi investigatoinvestigators, a the hour, law enforcement officials have conducted a search of paula bro
we are separated today from ronald reagan as i was from tom dewey. there is so much about republicanism and conservative that is compelling and that is appealing to people of all kinds of ethnicities, men and women, sexual orientations of every variety. americans are entrepreneurial, workers, savers, and want the message, but don't want to be told that they belong to 47% that doesn't count. >> david, a real fight on your hands within the republican party. david frum, author of "why...
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ronald reagan wouldn't fit in with them. chris christie of course will be a part of that camp. >> immigration is going to be a real good test case. you'll see this divide between that brand of moderate republicans saying that immigration is an economic issue. that we need to bring in people with the skills that america needs to power the economy and on the other side, folks like steve king and michele bachmann who use those emotional appeals of they'll take your jobs, they're from another country and so on and so forth. how that plays out will be key to what the party becomes. >> john: you can't win the white house with less than 40% of the latino vote. the pragmatic republican response would be let's find a pathway to citizen. you have sean hannity saying this now. >> what a conversion. >> john: everyone in politics -- >> how convenient. >> john: in fairness, both sides historically have cared more about electability than ideology. >> true. but this is a party who when bush did it, when democrats tried to bring forward a dr
ronald reagan wouldn't fit in with them. chris christie of course will be a part of that camp. >> immigration is going to be a real good test case. you'll see this divide between that brand of moderate republicans saying that immigration is an economic issue. that we need to bring in people with the skills that america needs to power the economy and on the other side, folks like steve king and michele bachmann who use those emotional appeals of they'll take your jobs, they're from another...
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ronald reagan was solidly for immigration reform. if you go to youtube and google "reagan mondale debate," uc ronald reagan not making the case for immigration, but for amnesty, using that word. republicans are pro-immigration but they have been afraid of the past six years of the anti- immigration law me. immigration lobby. now i think this election cycle has dramatically changed that. i can at least number half a dozen radio and tv talk shows that have already said, you know what, my position has evolved, now time for immigration reform. now -- i am for immigration reform. that is good, because it will give cover for republicans who have avoided this issue and want to deal with this issue to actually do it. immigration and being for immigration reform is the conservative position. restrictionism part of the nationalist protectionist paradigm t. if we are the party of the family and a free-market, the gop is, we should not in any way have a restrictionist position. if we are for the family, i don't see why we should be calling for s
ronald reagan was solidly for immigration reform. if you go to youtube and google "reagan mondale debate," uc ronald reagan not making the case for immigration, but for amnesty, using that word. republicans are pro-immigration but they have been afraid of the past six years of the anti- immigration law me. immigration lobby. now i think this election cycle has dramatically changed that. i can at least number half a dozen radio and tv talk shows that have already said, you know what,...
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democrat just lost two elections in a row to ronald reagan. what did we do? we nominated michael dukakis who is a fine man but a liberal from massachusetts. it took three beatings for to us realize you have to make common cause of moderates. that is the internal struggle the republican have to go through. true to principle on fiscal issues but if they embrace the far right social agenda it drives off the young people and alienate single women and suburban women and you see it in the numbers. >> senator, in your state of indiana -- >> can i say one last thing? if i could just get -- if i could say one last thing. please continue to nominate people for public office talking about women being rap rapeed. >> won by only five points such a bad year. republicans should not kid themselves. republican lost 25 of 33 senate seats. republicans gained back the seats easy to gain back when no other new state at the presidential level. obama had a tough economy, glow gone from the first term, and all of that. republicans lost the national household by half a million votes.
democrat just lost two elections in a row to ronald reagan. what did we do? we nominated michael dukakis who is a fine man but a liberal from massachusetts. it took three beatings for to us realize you have to make common cause of moderates. that is the internal struggle the republican have to go through. true to principle on fiscal issues but if they embrace the far right social agenda it drives off the young people and alienate single women and suburban women and you see it in the numbers....
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. >> why not do what lbj and bill clinton and ronald reagan did and smooze with the speaker of the house? he's the one you have to win over. >> it starts friday. they have arranged a meeting. it will be their first since july they all sat around the table together. everyone up on the hill said he needed to do more of it. i don't think anybody at the white house would deny he has to do more outreach. we will see. >> it headaches sense. if you get a deal, and it might be now tenth bush era tax cuts might be linked to the deficit and it might not be so much a cliff as little one of bumps in the road. >> we will watch and see what happens. >> up next, reverend graham, his group brings christmas to many needy children around the world. for most of these children it's their first gift ever. reverend graham is here to tell you about it. that's neck. alka-seltzer plus rushes relief to all your worst cold symptoms, plus it relieves your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and my daughter loves the
. >> why not do what lbj and bill clinton and ronald reagan did and smooze with the speaker of the house? he's the one you have to win over. >> it starts friday. they have arranged a meeting. it will be their first since july they all sat around the table together. everyone up on the hill said he needed to do more of it. i don't think anybody at the white house would deny he has to do more outreach. we will see. >> it headaches sense. if you get a deal, and it might be now...
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. >> ronald reagan said, i will not hold your youth and inexperience against you. >> i will pass that onto luke. >> you are talking about the diversity about the democratic caucus in which you lead in the house. it is a new thing at least that there is not a straight, white male majority in this caucus. and i wonder, you know, the republican party, won a larger majority of the white vote which they were bragging about today in terms of what went right for them in this election which they lost. they lost all minority groups by large margins. when you look at your group and you have that momentous change, what do you say to people who look at that change and think i'm not sure i'm happy about the fact that there is a -- in the democratic caucus? >> i haven't met anybody like that yet. >> but let's say i would say everybody is talking about how we can appeal to these people to vote for us and we are saying no, we want to go beyond that. we want them to represent us. so it is not about we need your vote this is an election day alliance, we want you to have a seat at the table. it is not t
. >> ronald reagan said, i will not hold your youth and inexperience against you. >> i will pass that onto luke. >> you are talking about the diversity about the democratic caucus in which you lead in the house. it is a new thing at least that there is not a straight, white male majority in this caucus. and i wonder, you know, the republican party, won a larger majority of the white vote which they were bragging about today in terms of what went right for them in this election...